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January 2011
An Interview With Peter J. Pappas, MD
The outgoing president of the American Venous Forum discusses its goals, as well as the areas of venous disease treatment that need the most attention.
How is the American Venous Forum (AVF) working to
increase medical education and foster research in
venous disease?
The mission of the AVF is to promote venous and
lymphatic health through innovative research, patient
and physician education, and advocacy. Our premier
education programs are presented at
our annual meeting, where cuttingedge
research from around the
world is presented. We also have
three fellows courses and one
advanced, hands-on attendings
course. The fellows course, which
was originally developed by Steve
Elias, MD, is directed toward vascular
fellows as well as interventional
radiology fellows. Primarily, this
course is intended to fill educational
gaps in venous- and lymphatic-related
topics that Accreditation Council for Graduate
Medical Education (ACGME) training programs in vascular
surgery and interventional radiology may not
cover thoroughly during the trainee's residency. It is a
2-day course in which participants will attend lectures
on venous disease and lymphatic disease and also get
hands-on experience with multiple devices. The curriculum
and lectures are standardized, and it has been
extraordinarily well received in the past 3 to 5 years by
the residents and the Association of Program Directors
in Vascular Surgery. In addition to a thumb drive that
contains all the lectures, we are updating our Web site
to make the lectures available through the Internet for
downloading and review.
This year was the first time that we offered an advanced venous course for practicing attendings. We specifically kept the course limited to 50 participants, and we had registrants from literally all over the country. The reviews from the participants were terrific, and we actually had to turn people away. We intentionally wanted to keep the course small so that the participants could have direct access to our internationally renowned faculty. I think the intimacy of the course was a major reason for the high marks it received from participants. The ability of clinicians to ask the faculty questions that were pertinent to their practices gave relevance to the course.
What will be some of the highlights for the AVF annual
meeting in February 2011?
We have changed the format of the program to allow
the best poster presentations to be accompanied by a
3-minute oral podium presentation. Another new item is
that Dr. Gregory Moneta is going to be moderating a session
on the best venous papers from
other societies. We have invited authors
with high-impact papers that may or
may not have been published in the
Journal of Vascular Surgery to speak at
our meeting. The leadership of the AVF
believed that these papers were so influential
that they deserved dissemination
and recognition at our national meeting.
The really big news is that we are rolling out the American Venous Registry at the annual meeting. This registry will prospectively collect data on various aspects of venous disease. We currently have two modules: one is a varicose vein module, in which we will collect real-world data on how patients with varicose veins are being treated in the United States, and the other is a stenting module, which is in the process of being revised to make it more user friendly. Vena cava filter, pharmacomechanical thrombectomy/thrombolysis, and upper extremity deep vein thrombosis (DVT) modules are also in the planning stages.
The nice thing about the registry is that all of the modules will be prepopulated with data so that physicians can perform comparative effectiveness research and outcomes measurements on their practices compared to a national data set. We will also provide participants with practice resource tools that can assist them with daily clinical practice management. Specifically, participants will be able to generate a history and physical, a letter to a referring physician, print a progress note for their files, and print an operative note for their office records. They can also perform five clinical practice outcomes analyses in which they will be able to compare their practice outcomes to that of a national dataset. Further benefits include compliance with maintenance of certification requirements for board certification and the ability to receive Medicare bonuses for using an electronic medical record. We are currently applying to the federal government for designation of the American Venous Registry as an approved Medicare electronic health record. There will be a specifically designated area at the annual meeting in San Diego where people can come and view the registry and sign up to become users.
What is the long-term vision for the American Venous
Registry?
To obtain real-world practice data. One of the major
complaints that we receive from government agencies and
third-party reimbursers is that the data on venous disease,
although voluminous, are not of high quality. Currently,
the government is trying to move away from performing
expensive multicenter, randomized clinical trials that may
or may not be applicable to the general public. They are
looking for more real-world types of clinical trials given the
fact that the exclusion criteria in randomized trials are high
and oftentimes do not translate into real clinical practice.
So we are hoping to gather real-world data on the management
of patients with venous disease and then take the
dataset to the government and third-party reimbursers to
show them what is currently being done in the United
States, what the outcomes of these procedures are, and
what we recommend in terms of medical decision criteria.
We would also like to conduct registry-type research that
will identify pertinent clinical questions for future randomized
clinical trials through the AVF. I see the registry as
being vital to venous practitioners, to the future of the
society, and to our profession.
How do surgical and interventional options for treating
venous disease complement each other?
I think the honest answer to that is that the majority of
venous disease therapies are moving toward the more
minimally invasive endovascular therapies. For example,
in the United States, open stripping of the greater
saphenous vein is no longer considered the standard of
care and has been replaced by endothermal/endoluminal
procedures. The management of patients with
venous thromboembolism is also moving toward interventional
procedures (eg, mechanical thrombectomy,
chemical thrombectomy, and angioplasty and stenting).
These minimally invasive procedures are now also being
recognized as options for patients with obstructive disease.
Even patients who have chronic occlusions can be
treated with minimally invasive procedures, whereas in
the past, they required an extraordinarily difficult open
procedure. Open procedures are still options in patients
who require venous valve repairs, emergency venous
thrombectomies for limb-threatening ischemia, and vena
cava reconstructions in patients with cancer.
How do you think the specialty of venous surgery is
adapting to the increasingly prevalent minimally
invasive therapies?
The reality of the situation is that physicians from various
medical backgrounds, who were not traditionally
trained in ACGME-approved residencies to recognize the
full spectrum of venous disorders, are now providing
medical care to venous disease patients. For example,
there are interventional cardiologists, dermatologists,
obstetricians/gynecologists, family practice doctors, internal
medicine doctors, and plastic surgeons who all want
to treat venous diseases. As a result, the type of training a
physician has received, their cognitive skill set, and the
quality of care that they deliver has become as issue in the
United States. Vascular surgeons have always included
venous disorders as part of their residency curriculum
requirements. Therefore, they are familiar with the entire
aspect of chronic venous diseases, which includes varicose
veins, venous thromboembolism, obstruction, and angioplasty
and stenting. The ideal venous specialist is a physician
who can treat all venous disorders. However, there
are physicians who are treating venous disease patients
without possessing knowledge of the entire spectrum of
venous disorders and treatment options.
I am extraordinarily concerned about the level of cognitive and technical skill sets of many physicians who are treating patients with venous disease. The skill sets required to care for venous disease patients are not currently standardized across all residency programs as they are in vascular surgery or interventional radiology training programs that are already part of the ACGME curricula. Fortunately, I believe that organizations like the AVF, the American College of Phlebology, and the Society for Interventional Radiology are all actively working together to address this disparity.
Which aspects of venous insufficiency treatment do
you believe need the most improvement?
I believe that DVT needs the most attention. In 2008,
the Surgeon General announced a call to action for the
treatment of DVT and pulmonary embolism in which it
was noted that although our cumulative knowledge base
of all DVT therapies has increased, it has not transferred
into actual practice. For example, the standard of care
right now for treating DVT is anticoagulation with heparin
and conversion to warfarin. There is little appreciation or
knowledge of the development of postthrombotic syndrome,
treatment of acute DVTs with lytic or mechanical
therapies for the restoration of patency, or treating
obstruction with angioplasty and stenting. So I would say
that treating patients with DVT and pulmonary embolism
in this country needs to be greatly improved.
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